The second part of an episode of the « À la French » podcast recorded at DevSummit, this interview brings together Mathieu Grymonprez, Global CDO of the Adeo group (Leroy Merlin, Obramat, Weldom), and hosts Jean-Baptiste Kempf (creator of VLC), Steeve Morin and Mehdi Medjaoui. Mathieu, 26 years with the company and 8 years as CDO, traces a career path from network-security engineer (first Check Point firewall) to leader of « Digital Tech and Data »: after urgently resolving an Oracle database crash in Brazil (2012) and then overhauling the local IS during six years as an expatriate, he rationalized the group's 24 IS / sites / PIM into digital platforms (customer & commerce, supply chain, retail, corporate) supported by a tech radar, documented APIs and microservices (which became « big products »).

His thesis: every transformation is won on two simultaneous fronts, culture and structure, and the digital transformation playbook (waterfall → agile, product, more make than buy) is being replayed with AI. On the culture side: reconfigure to embrace the technology, keep critical judgment and above all accountability — responsibility remains human, « it's not the agent's fault ». On the structure side: close the documentation debt, manage agents' rights and permissions. Remembering the failure of the « Retail Apocalypse » (Amazon, e-commerce negotiated too late), the watchword is « we won't get caught out again »: take AI seriously, but with the same values (pragmatism, customer service, leading brand). If ChatGPT builds a better basket than the in-house app, « that's my problem ».

when it's not logical, it's historical

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At the board, Mathieu never talks technology but customer experience and ROI; he doesn't even ask for an AI budget, funding the new work through the gains (compressing JIRA tickets), in a logic of reuse serving the in-store salesperson. He doesn't anticipate the end of developers but an avalanche of requests (P10 projects become P2). On costs, he is confident: token FinOps will follow the path of cloud FinOps, driven by inference chips (TPUs) and open-source models catching up (Gemma 4 on a laptop). But model variation is a real production problem (retesting, requantization, silent downgrades), and Google has a « production awareness » that OpenAI or Anthropic don't yet have. His biggest concern: enterprise intelligence lock-in (agentic harness, « adeo.md »), hence the attention paid to standard Kubernetes, API portability and memory. He points to the missing open-source building block — agent orchestration (registry, lifecycle, permissions, skills) — and company memory (« when it's not logical, it's historical »). Final advice: transformation is bespoke; understand the technology mainly to avoid getting « fleeced » by pickaxe sellers.